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Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio
programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?
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Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio >programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

-jw-
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On 28/08/2024 14:41, Joerg Walther wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio
programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

-jw-

I think you have to register and give them an email
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Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio >programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

What I was looking for was something like the old 'radiotray' which
one could run on the command line (with station name as a parameter)
and the requested program would play on the audio output.
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On 28/08/2024 15:19, Chris Green wrote:

Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio
programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

What I was looking for was something like the old 'radiotray' which
one could run on the command line (with station name as a parameter)
and the requested program would play on the audio output.

Basically everybody except Classic FM has ditched icecast/shoutcast in
order to require you to listen to more ads and give them an email
address to spam

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they
change the format again to force you to buy a new one
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

I think you have to register and give them an email

This is correct, but the OP did not say, that it is because of this that
he is looking for a different way to listen to the BBC.

-jw-
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Chris Green wrote:

are there any internet radio
programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

The last one I used on Fedora was Shortwave, dunno if it still works.

<https://flathub.org/apps/de.haeckerfelix.Shortwave>
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Chris Green wrote:

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

You did not mention that it was headless.

There is a command line interface to Kodi,

https://github.com/JavaWiz1/kodi-cli

but I do not know how well it works, especially when it comes to using
it with the iPlayer addon for Kodi.

-jw-
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On 28/08/2024 16:07, Joerg Walther wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

I think you have to register and give them an email

This is correct, but the OP did not say, that it is because of this that
he is looking for a different way to listen to the BBC.

Logging in is not a feature of an icecast/shoutcast stream
Nor is it an easy thing to do with a headless Pi.
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 28/08/2024 15:19, Chris Green wrote:

Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio >>> programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

What I was looking for was something like the old 'radiotray' which
one could run on the command line (with station name as a parameter)
and the requested program would play on the audio output.

Basically everybody except Classic FM has ditched icecast/shoutcast in
order to require you to listen to more ads and give them an email
address to spam

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they change the format again to force you to buy a new one

... and won't work outside the UK if I want to listen to the BBC.

I simply want to listen to BBC (mostly radio 4) in the simplest
possible way when I'm away from home in Europe mainland. I.e. I want
something I can just 'turn on' (like radios used to work).

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

are there any internet radio
programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

The last one I used on Fedora was Shortwave, dunno if it still works.

<https://flathub.org/apps/de.haeckerfelix.Shortwave>

Hmm, I used to be quite an enthusiastic SWL (Short Wave Listener) but
I'm not sure that there is so much there nowadays. ... but I realise
(now I've looked) that 'shortwave' is just a name for a program. I'll
give it a try, thanks.
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On 28/08/2024 19:09, Chris Green wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 28/08/2024 15:19, Chris Green wrote:

Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio >>>>> programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you can
listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on sounds and
select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

What I was looking for was something like the old 'radiotray' which
one could run on the command line (with station name as a parameter)
and the requested program would play on the audio output.

Basically everybody except Classic FM has ditched icecast/shoutcast in
order to require you to listen to more ads and give them an email
address to spam

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they
change the format again to force you to buy a new one

... and won't work outside the UK if I want to listen to the BBC.

I simply want to listen to BBC (mostly radio 4) in the simplest
possible way when I'm away from home in Europe mainland. I.e. I want something I can just 'turn on' (like radios used to work).

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.

Yes. .I had a similar issue, - all my icecast streams except classic FM stopped working.
I only now listen to classic FM

Its the same with the telly. More an more woke shite on UK public
service channels. Dont watch telly any more.

The stream urls are available as m3u8 but the format that they use
needs something like VLC to read.

Now this *may* work for you with VLC installed:

cvlc http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio%3d96000.norewind.m3u8

If it does, the URLs for the other BBC stations are available :

https://gist.github.com/bpsib/67089b959e4fa898af69fea59ad74bc3

You wont get the content information you used to get with icecast, but
the audio should play.

Expect it to be a shade lumpy till it gets the buffering right
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

... and won't work outside the UK if I want to listen to the BBC.

I simply want to listen to BBC (mostly radio 4) in the simplest
possible way when I'm away from home in Europe mainland. I.e. I want something I can just 'turn on' (like radios used to work).

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.

Yes. .I had a similar issue, - all my icecast streams except classic FM stopped working.
I only now listen to classic FM

Its the same with the telly. More an more woke shite on UK public
service channels. Dont watch telly any more.

The stream urls are available as m3u8 but the format that they use
needs something like VLC to read.

Now this *may* work for you with VLC installed:

cvlc http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio%3d96000.norewind.m3u8

If it does, the URLs for the other BBC stations are available :

https://gist.github.com/bpsib/67089b959e4fa898af69fea59ad74bc3

You wont get the content information you used to get with icecast, but
the audio should play.

Expect it to be a shade lumpy till it gets the buffering right

OK, thanks, I'll try VLC on the command line.
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In article <r7o3qk-lp21.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu>,
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet
radio programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you
can listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on
sounds and select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

What I was looking for was something like the old 'radiotray' which
one could run on the command line (with station name as a
parameter) and the requested program would play on the audio output.

I'm probably not understanding the problem here and I'm probably
about to talk nonsense as a result But...

I have two different headless pi systems on my desk in front of me
that can play all the BBC streams intended for UK reception. As far
as I know there is no log on or anything just playing a stream.

This is the stream for Radio 4. http://as-hls-uk-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/uk/bbc_radio_fourlw/bbc_radio_fourlw.isml/bbc_radio_fourlw-audio%3d320000.norewind.m3u8

That's a 320k stream.

My understanding is that if you change anywhere it says 'uk' to be
'ww' then you get the international stream.

You can find the complete set at:
http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/

One of the players I'm testing at this moment is the RoPieee player
for headless pi, it's free but it's a locked system with no command
line. I tell it what to play by choosing from a list held by
Minimserver running on a nas and an iPad. It works great but no
command line.

The other system is similar in function but is not locked down and is
just mpd installed on a pi, I've not tried command line because I use
it as described above but there is the normal Linux command line, I
think it's likely you could persuade it do as you want.

Sorry to have wasted your time, I'll go back under my stone now.

Bob.

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On 28/08/2024 19:09, Chris Green wrote:

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.

Quite literally until the end of the world.

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they launch!

---druck
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On 28/08/2024 20:21, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <r7o3qk-lp21.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu>,
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet
radio programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

I don't know what you mean by internet radio programs, but you
can listen to the Beep with any browser, bbc.co.uk -> click on
sounds and select your preferred station.

That doesn't work very well on a headless Pi! :-)

What I was looking for was something like the old 'radiotray' which
one could run on the command line (with station name as a
parameter) and the requested program would play on the audio output.

I'm probably not understanding the problem here and I'm probably
about to talk nonsense as a result But...

I have two different headless pi systems on my desk in front of me
that can play all the BBC streams intended for UK reception. As far
as I know there is no log on or anything just playing a stream.

The login was to use I-player

This is the stream for Radio 4. http://as-hls-uk-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/uk/bbc_radio_fourlw/bbc_radio_fourlw.isml/bbc_radio_fourlw-audio%3d320000.norewind.m3u8

That's a 320k stream.

Its also M3u8 which is not recognised by many command line programs on a headless Pi

My understanding is that if you change anywhere it says 'uk' to be
'ww' then you get the international stream.

You can find the complete set at:
http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/

One of the players I'm testing at this moment is the RoPieee player
for headless pi, it's free but it's a locked system with no command
line. I tell it what to play by choosing from a list held by
Minimserver running on a nas and an iPad. It works great but no
command line.

The other system is similar in function but is not locked down and is
just mpd installed on a pi, I've not tried command line because I use
it as described above but there is the normal Linux command line, I
think it's likely you could persuade it do as you want.

Sorry to have wasted your time, I'll go back under my stone now.

Bob.

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In practice, there is.
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druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote at 20:33 this Wednesday (GMT):

On 28/08/2024 19:09, Chris Green wrote:

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.

Quite literally until the end of the world.

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they launch!

---druck

That is slightly scary.
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On 28/08/2024 23:40, candycanearter07 wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote at 20:33 this Wednesday (GMT):

On 28/08/2024 19:09, Chris Green wrote:

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.

Quite literally until the end of the world.

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they launch!

---druck

That is slightly scary.

Indeed- if true - which I doubt.
There is a James Follett radio play I was listening to earlier on which
a system of satellites was used as a watchdog timer to prevent nuclear
war, but unfortunately some experiment goes wrong and sends a load of
metallic chaff into low earth orbit so the submarine cant hear them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0PE29vLpk
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druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 28/08/2024 19:09, Chris Green wrote:

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know
how long that is going to last.

Quite literally until the end of the world.

Well the end of some electricity meters at least:

"But the Long Wave transmitter in Droitwich (pictured above) won't
fall silent just yet. The energy industry, which relies on the BBC
carrying the Economy 7 teleswitching signal on BBC Radio 4 LW, has
negotiated an extension of broadcasts. There are still nearly a
million homes and businesses reliant on older meters that use the
teleswitching signal." ...
https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/end-of-an-era-for-bbc-despite-long-wave-reprieve/

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they launch!

"industry body Energy UK announced the LW signal would continue to be
broadcast until 30th June 2025."

Oh no, someone's forgotten to tell them, we're doomed!
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In article <vao8gp$3kv1h$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 28/08/2024 20:21, Bob Latham wrote:

I'm probably not understanding the problem here and I'm probably
about to talk nonsense as a result But...

I have two different headless pi systems on my desk in front of
me that can play all the BBC streams intended for UK reception.
As far as I know there is no log on or anything just playing a
stream.

The login was to use I-player

I'm unsure what you're meaning by that as it applies to me. I don't
use and have not been anywhere near I-Player unless it gets reflected
across my IP address by our SkyQ box. But even then, Its not been
used this year at least.

This is the stream for Radio 4. http://as-hls-uk-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/uk/bbc_radio_fourlw/bbc_radio_fourlw.isml/bbc_radio_fourlw-audio%3d320000.norewind.m3u8

That's a 320k stream.

Its also M3u8 which is not recognised by many command line programs
on a headless Pi

I've got two headless pi that play the stream in what way are they significantly different from command line players apart from the
obvious.

Bob.


Bob.

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On 28/08/2024 at 11:53, Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

As this didn't seem to propagate when I sent it originally:

I use command-line vlc in the background (--daemon). E.g.
/usr/bin/vlc --config=/home/chris/internetradio/vlcrc.pulse --no-video --no-media-library --daemon --pidfile=/var/lock/vlc-radio.pid
--volume-step 128 --playlist-autostart --intf=http
--http-password=xxxxxxxxx --http-port=8080 "Radio station URL here"

Radio station URLs are available here: https://garfnet.org.uk/cms/2023/10/29/latest-bbc-hls-radio-streams/
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Chris Elvidge <chris@x550c.mshome.net> wrote:

On 28/08/2024 at 11:53, Chris Green wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

As this didn't seem to propagate when I sent it originally:

I use command-line vlc in the background (--daemon). E.g.
/usr/bin/vlc --config=/home/chris/internetradio/vlcrc.pulse --no-video --no-media-library --daemon --pidfile=/var/lock/vlc-radio.pid
--volume-step 128 --playlist-autostart --intf=http
--http-password=xxxxxxxxx --http-port=8080 "Radio station URL here"

Simple eh! :-) Quite practical though as one can simply keep it in an executable file. Thank you.

Radio station URLs are available here: https://garfnet.org.uk/cms/2023/10/29/latest-bbc-hls-radio-streams/

Yes, I'd found that already.
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:34:48 +0100, Chris Elvidge wrote:

I use command-line vlc in the background (--daemon). E.g. /usr/bin/vlc --config=/home/chris/internetradio/vlcrc.pulse --no-video
--no-media-library --daemon --pidfile=/var/lock/vlc-radio.pid
--volume-step 128 --playlist-autostart --intf=http
--http-password=xxxxxxxxx --http-port=8080 "Radio station URL here"

Even without the auth stuff, that’s quite a long URL.

Here’s the kind of one-liner I use, with the ffplay command from FFmpeg:

ffplay -nodisp $(cat ~/Links/georgefm_streaming.url)
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 23:31:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its also M3u8 which is not recognised by many command line programs on a headless Pi

ffplay (part of FFmpeg) can play m3u8 URLs. What other “many command line programs” could you be talking about?
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they change the format again to force you to buy a new one

Isn’t most of the world moving to DAB+ now?
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 22:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote at 20:33 this Wednesday (GMT):

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they
launch!

That is slightly scary.

Can’t decide if that is less dumb or dumber than the Doomsday Machine in “Dr Strangelove” ...
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candycanearter07 wrote:

druck wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

At the moment Radio 4 on 198khz is the best option but I don't know

how long that is going to last.

Quite literally until the end of the world.

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they launch!

That is slightly scary.

In fairness, if they don't hear anything, they open the envelope
containing instructions of last resort from whoever was prime minister
at the time they departed, which may say "retaliate", "surrender", "go
help the yanks" or similar ...

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On 06/09/2024 at 02:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:34:48 +0100, Chris Elvidge wrote:

I use command-line vlc in the background (--daemon). E.g. /usr/bin/vlc
--config=/home/chris/internetradio/vlcrc.pulse --no-video
--no-media-library --daemon --pidfile=/var/lock/vlc-radio.pid
--volume-step 128 --playlist-autostart --intf=http
--http-password=xxxxxxxxx --http-port=8080 "Radio station URL here"

Even without the auth stuff, that’s quite a long URL.

Here’s the kind of one-liner I use, with the ffplay command from FFmpeg:

ffplay -nodisp $(cat ~/Links/georgefm_streaming.url)

Yes it is long. That's why I have a bash script called
'radiofrominternet' to do the heavy lifting. vlc has the advantage of
being controllable from a web browser (--inf=http).
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On 9/5/24 19:05, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 22:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote at 20:33 this Wednesday (GMT):

Our Trident nuclear subs check to see if civilisation still exists by
tuning in to Radio 4 long wave, if they don't hear anything, they
launch!

That is slightly scary.

Can’t decide if that is less dumb or dumber than the Doomsday Machine in “Dr Strangelove” ...

You want scary? It's not fictional. In 1985 the Soviet Union activated
what they called the "Perimeter System" aka "Dead Hand", which once
activated would look for signs of a nuclear strike on the "homeland",
and if the algorithm decided they had been attacked, would launch every
icbm in the arsenal, all pre-targeted. Still operational under the
Russian Federation.

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In message <vbdnsf$lt27$4@dont-email.me>
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they change the format again to force you to buy a new one

Isn't most of the world moving to DAB+ now?

AIUI, yes, or already did so some years ago.

It's unfortunate for us in the UK - we adopted DAB early, and it was
widely (-ish) accepted before DAB+ was developed. Compatibility has
kept us back.

David
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On 06/09/2024 20:32, David Higton wrote:

In message <vbdnsf$lt27$4@dont-email.me>
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they
change the format again to force you to buy a new one

Isn't most of the world moving to DAB+ now?

AIUI, yes, or already did so some years ago.

It's unfortunate for us in the UK - we adopted DAB early, and it was
widely (-ish) accepted before DAB+ was developed. Compatibility has
kept us back.

David

The majority of DAB broadcast in the UK, if not all are DAB+ and have
been for a while
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 12:24:17 -0700
wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

You want scary? It's not fictional. In 1985 the Soviet Union activated
what they called the "Perimeter System" aka "Dead Hand", which once activated would look for signs of a nuclear strike on the "homeland",
and if the algorithm decided they had been attacked, would launch every
icbm in the arsenal, all pre-targeted. Still operational under the
Russian Federation.

AT least it would attempt to - I read at the time that when the cold war ended and a lot of weapons were decomissioned with witnesses a good
many of them would have failed to either launch or go off.
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Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 23:31:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its also M3u8 which is not recognised by many command line programs on a
headless Pi

ffplay (part of FFmpeg) can play m3u8 URLs. What other "many command line programs" could you be talking about?

If the Wikipedia page about M3U is accurate then the m3u8 file will
just be a text file including a URL to an audio stream. If it's an
MP3 audio stream, then that can probably be copied manually to use
with any common command-line MP3 player (I use mpg123 or mpg321).

But that BBC URL gives me 403 Forbidden, so I guess it's region
restricted and as such I haven't seen for myself. Indeed I don't
think I've seen a M3U(8) file before.
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On 7 Sep 2024 11:56:34 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

... I don't think I've seen a M3U(8) file before.

Here <https://github.com/iptv-org/iptv> is a collection of over 15,000 of them.
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On 06/09/2024 20:32, David Higton wrote:

In message <vbdnsf$lt27$4@dont-email.me>
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Unless you buy a DAB radio which will last a couple of years until they
change the format again to force you to buy a new one

Isn't most of the world moving to DAB+ now?

AIUI, yes, or already did so some years ago.

It's unfortunate for us in the UK - we adopted DAB early, and it was
widely (-ish) accepted before DAB+ was developed. Compatibility has
kept us back.

David

The de facto standard is now wifi or 4G and internet radio /TV stations
DAB has completely passed me by...
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On 07/09/2024 02:56, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 23:31:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its also M3u8 which is not recognised by many command line programs on a >>> headless Pi

ffplay (part of FFmpeg) can play m3u8 URLs. What other "many command line
programs" could you be talking about?

If the Wikipedia page about M3U is accurate then the m3u8 file will
just be a text file including a URL to an audio stream. If it's an
MP3 audio stream, then that can probably be copied manually to use
with any common command-line MP3 player (I use mpg123 or mpg321).

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. I tried. For hours. It used to
when it was an icecast stream.

But that BBC URL gives me 403 Forbidden, so I guess it's region
restricted and as such I haven't seen for myself. Indeed I don't
think I've seen a M3U(8) file before.

The only way I have found to play m3u8 BBC streams *headless* is with cvlc.

Maybe I will update my player software to use that in due course
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:48:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 07/09/2024 02:56, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

If the Wikipedia page about M3U is accurate then the m3u8 file will
just be a text file including a URL to an audio stream. If it's an MP3
audio stream, then that can probably be copied manually to use with any
common command-line MP3 player (I use mpg123 or mpg321).

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. I tried. For hours. It used to
when it was an icecast stream.

The players need the URL to the .m3u/.m3u8 file itself. Because the links inside it are to segments of audio: typically 3 segments, being the
current 10 seconds, and the next two 10-second segments after that. So the file needs to be repeatedly refetched to get updated segment URLs each
time.

Common players know how to do this.
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On 2024-08-28, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Now that the BBC no longer uses Shoutcast are there any internet radio programs for the Pi that can receive BBC internet radio?

mpv "http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio=320000.m3u8"

played a live Radio 4 when I just tried it.

The streams change every year or two and I don't recall where I got that
from but I've found

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk

useful in the past. I think they mostly work from aboard with the
exception of cricket with sports rights where a proxy has to be used.

Steve
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Steve Mynott wrote:

mpv "http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/ bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio=320000.m3u8"

played a live Radio 4 when I just tried it.

The streams change every year or two and I don't recall where I got that
from [...]

Given that it's a "plain" http:// URL, then wireshark (or a simple proxy
such as privoxy) could reveal it.
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On 16/09/2024 11:27, Andy Burns wrote:

Steve Mynott wrote:

mpv
"http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/ bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio=320000.m3u8"

played a live Radio 4 when I just tried it.

The streams change every year or two and I don't recall where I got that
from [...]

Given that it's a "plain" http:// URL, then wireshark (or a simple proxy such as privoxy) could reveal it.

It doesn't work any more
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Steve Mynott wrote:

"http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/
bbc_radio_fourfm/ bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-
audio=320000.m3u8"

It doesn't work any more

Doing Media / Open Network Stream
then pasting the URL certainly plays R4 here ...

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Andy Burns wrote:

Doing Media / Open Network Stream

within VLC player

then pasting the URL certainly plays R4 here ...

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On 2024-09-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/09/2024 11:27, Andy Burns wrote:

Steve Mynott wrote:

mpv
"http://as-hls-ww-live.akamaized.net/pool_904/live/ww/bbc_radio_fourfm/ bbc_radio_fourfm.isml/bbc_radio_fourfm-audio=320000.m3u8"

played a live Radio 4 when I just tried it.

The streams change every year or two and I don't recall where I got that >>> from [...]

Given that it's a "plain" http:// URL, then wireshark (or a simple proxy
such as privoxy) could reveal it.

It doesn't work any more

Yes it does.

It probably won't work in a web browser but it does work as an argument
to "mpv", "cvlc" (command line VLC) and similar.

I probably got it from a link on the following site like

<https://www.radio-browser.info/history/3871c0f7-c472-473b-95c0-744556eb3606>

S


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